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Showing posts with label PHOENICIAN. Show all posts
Showing posts with label PHOENICIAN. Show all posts
Sunday, 17 May 2020
Wednesday, 30 October 2013
Persian version
There is not much evidence for what Persian/Phoenician triremes looked like.
I decided to make the protection for the increased number of epibatoi better, to give them a pointed ram and a different sternpost.
Now for a bit more research on decoration to give more variety and ornament.
Also a pentekonter is needed. Then on to the 4s 5s etc........
I decided to make the protection for the increased number of epibatoi better, to give them a pointed ram and a different sternpost.
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| Greek on the left. |
Also a pentekonter is needed. Then on to the 4s 5s etc........
Wednesday, 12 June 2013
Phoenician trireme
A version of Coates idea about a phoenician trireme based on the Luli evacuation friezes.
Phonecian trireme on the left, 'traditional' interpretation on the right.
Phonecian trireme on the left, 'traditional' interpretation on the right.
From this it can be seen that the zygian (sitting innermost) would be the one visible in the palace frieze.
The idea of different length oars is decisively refuted in 'The Athenian Trireme'. The three levels cannot row in rythm if the oars are different lengths.
Why would the screens be placed alongside the thranite level but not the zygians ?
Possibly Coates himself ditched this idea more recently but I have not found a reference to that yet.
The centre of gravity of such a construction would rise and the presence of a lot of people on the top deck make it unstable. In the Conway's Age of the Galley, HT Wallinga goes through historical hoops to give the Phoenicians credit for the trireme but in the context of Corsica, not Tyre; without any physical or graphical evidence.
Once the Tyrian evacuation ships and Clement of Alexandria are removed from the scene there is no evidence to gainsay Thucydides. The samaina is another question.........
Labels:
PHOENICIAN,
SHIP CONSTRUCTION,
TRIERES,
TRIREME
Monday, 10 June 2013
Bi IT BEFORE YOU Tri IT
The idea of the Phoenician trireme has really niggled me since reading the recent Osprey book, especially when it is based on the Sennacherib friezes. This 'poster' outlines why.
I won't buy the idea that these ships are undermanned triremes and crazily top-heavy.
I won't buy the idea that these ships are undermanned triremes and crazily top-heavy.
Labels:
PHOENICIAN,
SENNACHERIB,
SHIP CONSTRUCTION,
SIDON,
TRIREME
Saturday, 8 June 2013
PHOENICIAN FUDGE
Some unresolved details from Osprey 'Warships of the Ancient World'.
Plate E shows some flat drawings merely 'rounded out' to look a bit 3d. The dicrotic ship shown there has the zygian oars longer than those of the thranites !
Plate E shows some flat drawings merely 'rounded out' to look a bit 3d. The dicrotic ship shown there has the zygian oars longer than those of the thranites !
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